The Logic Lifeline

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Tuesday, December 06, 2005

Let it not be said that the Logic Lifeline shies from the truth

Without mentioning any names, someone commenting on this blog seems to think I shy away from certain elements of the truth. I get the impression that this charge will continue unless this blog looks more like Crooks and Liars, Salon.com, Daily Kos, Daily Dissent and other such blogs. Of course this is not going to happen.

In fact the purpose of my blog is not to point to any wrong (perceived, indicted or convicted) for the mere point of saying "See, another Democrat or Liberal did this or that". Instead it is usually to make a point of discussion about things specifically related to that case. (Yes, sometimes I point things out just for humor value) My stance is clear that the actions of some do not necessarily detract from the message of their group. There will always be bad eggs in every group. Out of the thousands of politicians and their administrations and staffers serving only a handful actually get convicted. If somebody did not have a life and took the time to average the numbers per party over the years perhaps you would see that neither party has cornered the market on criminal or unethical activity. Instead of investigating and prosecuting in a cherry picked fashion, I want all politicians engaged in criminal activity to be unearthed and prosecuted.

I was asked why I did not point out the wrong doing of Governor Taft, Duke Cunningham, Abramoff, Safavian and Scanlon. At the time I did not know who that last three were and had not heard of Taft's troubles. I did want to post on Duke Cunningham, but ran out of time until the story was old and I moved on to other things. So I will state clearly hear that Cunningham's acceptance of bribes was wrong, dispicable and shameful. I know from Chicago/Illinois politics how prevalent bribe taking can be as we have seen a rash of bribe related prosecutions among city politicians and even former Governor Ryan whom I despise.

Safavian seems to have been charged with making false statements and obstruction of justice. I still don't know really who this guy is. This guy is so obscure I really have no comment, but have posted what he is charged with. The link provided for Scanlon did not work, so I don't know who he is either.

Bob Taft seems to have failed to report some paid golf games as gifts and been fined $4000 for this breach. In this current environment it is critical that all politicians be careful to report these gifts. Taft joins the ranks of other politicans who have had trouble with filing their gifts/paid trips such as:

Rep. Neil Abercrombie, D-Hawai'i
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.)
Bart Stupak (D-MI)
Maxine Waters
Elizabeth Greer, an aide to Rep. F. Allen Boyd Jr., D-Fla
Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD)
Representative Ellen O. Tauscher, a California Democrat
Rep. Harold Ford Jr.
Two Chicago Democrats, Reps. Bobby Rush and Luis Gutierrez
Rep. Jim McGovern from Massachusetts
House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.)
Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-TX)

* List Compliments of Noagenda.org


Abramoff seems to be some lobbyist that had quite a lot of dealings. I could not find his political affiliation so perhaps the point here was that he had paid for a trip for Tom Delay. This seems to be true. Abramoff has also been involved in providing trips, donations and skyboxes to the following politicians as well:

Harry Reid
Nancy Pelosi
Dick Gephardt
Tom Harkin
James Clayborn
Others that can be shown at the following illustration also courtesy of noagenda.org

Let it not be said that the Logic Lifeline shies from the truth. Hopefully there is enough truth in this post for both sides of the aisle.

15 Comments:

  • At 1:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    This link for Scanlon should work. He was a former top aide to Tom DeLay and partner of Jack Abramoff. He just pleaded guilty to a federal conspiracy charge.

     
  • At 2:01 PM, Blogger LASunsett said…

    This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

     
  • At 2:03 PM, Blogger LASunsett said…

    If the truth was to be fully known, there are very few politicians that have NOT been guilty of some form of impropriety, if not an outright criminal act, at least where bribes and influence peddling are concerned.

    I feel the same way, you do about this.

    I have never let party affiliation cloud that value. I am not a Democrat, nor am I a Republican. So, I am not a partisan hack. I just agree with Republicans more (but not all of the time) on issues of policy. More than I do Democrats (especially those of the leftist persuasion).

    But make no mistake, I do not condone misconduct of any kind, from either side of the aisle. If I would have had a blog back when Packwood was sexually harassing young women, everyone would have understood just how I felt on this. I was quite critical of Packwood at the time his story was making the rounds, many years ago.

    But leftists love to deflect criticism to anyone not that is not a leftist. If you accuse a leftist of misconduct, they IMMEDIATELY deflect the criticsim on someone who is not a leftist.

    But "so and so" did this and "so and so" did that.

    They never want to talk about the improprieties, of their heroes. Only those of the right, both proven and unproven.

    Good post, AICS.

     
  • At 2:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    News flash. The responses to charges of Republican wrongdoing here have been answered with "yeah well they do it too."

    Deflections of deflections of deflections of deflezzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

     
  • At 2:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    News flash. The responses to charges of Republican wrongdoing here have been answered with "yeah well they do it too."

    Deflections of deflections of deflections of deflezzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

     
  • At 2:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Don't know why that double posted. Never intended.

     
  • At 3:43 PM, Blogger LASunsett said…

    "News flash. The responses to charges of Republican wrongdoing here have been answered with "yeah well they do it too.""

    Not from me you haven't.

     
  • At 3:44 PM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…

    ' News flash. The responses to charges of Republican wrongdoing here have been answered with "yeah well they do it too." '

    An oversimplfied version of what I said may boil down to that. My main point is that to paint a picture that a "culture of corruption" only relates to the GOP is laughable.

     
  • At 5:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Kudos to AICS for conceding the point. And agreed, corruption knows no party affiliations.

    That said, I'll venture an analysis on human nature and an argument as to why one party should never control all three branches of government. Those Founding Fathers were such smart guys.

    Having "absolute power" creates the illusion that one will never be held accountable for any excesses. That mentality leads to excesses, and in government especially, that is not a good or desirable thing. Checks and balances are necessary for healthy government.

     
  • At 6:19 PM, Blogger LASunsett said…

    "Checks and balances are necessary for healthy government."

    No argument from me. I have no problem with checks and balances. I have no problem with dissent, as long as it is responsible dissent. As long as it is dissent that is warranted and backed up by evidence, logic, and good sense.

    What I object to, is reckless claims made without support. In fact if you had known me at the time Ken Starr was impeaching Clinton, you would have heard me criticize the GOP for wasting an inordinate amount of money and time, prosecuting such a lame charge.

    Make no mistake, he shouldn't have lied, period. But I don't believe that his offense fit the definition of "high crimes" either.

    But what I see from the left, today, fits the category of reckless baseless accusations, void of sound evidence and other forms of support. There are plenty of sound arguments that can be made against several aspects of the way the Administration conducts business. But rewriting history and casting stones while living in a glass house, is not one of them.

     
  • At 8:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Agreed. Reckless claims without support is bad.

    You're obviously trying to lead somewhere with the "rewriting history" comment.

     
  • At 8:42 PM, Anonymous paw said…

    Abramoff is one of your guys. As for the Dems you're trying to associate with him, I'm persuaded by charges, not innuendo.

    If you're really just picking up on Abramoff and Scanlon, as a political junkie you'll kick yourself later for not paying attention earlier. These guy are attached to every locus of power in the Republican universe. Scanlon looks like a guy who is dealing to save his own skin.

    I'm sure you can substantiate this from sources that you trust.

     
  • At 5:45 AM, Blogger LASunsett said…

    "You're obviously trying to lead somewhere with the "rewriting history" comment."

    I wasn't aware I was leading anything, anywhere. I was saying it plainly and bluntly. I believe that many are trying to do just that.

     
  • At 8:08 AM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…

    "I'm persuaded by charges, not innuendo."

    In today's partisan climate, I would even eye a conviction suspiciously.

    "Scanlon looks like a guy who is dealing to save his own skin"

    It would be interesting if he were found to have committed "suicide". I wonder if the media would treat him differently than they did the "suicides" under Clinton?

     
  • At 5:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    "Prosecutors have told Ney [R-OH] they are preparing a possible bribery indictment against him over official acts that benefited clients of Abramoff. Ney inserted comments in the Congressional Record at Scanlon's request praising Kidan and castigating the reputation of SunCruz's then-owner, Konstantinos "Gus" Boulis, during contentious purchase negotiations. Six weeks ago, prosecutors got agreements from Abramoff, Kidan, Ney and former Ney aide Neil Volz to suspend the five-year statute of limitations while the investigation continues."
    Washington Post 12-9-05

     

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