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Saturday, July 08, 2006

What if we apply the Bush Lied logic to Al Gore


In politics there are often seeming paradoxes when it comes to taking certain positions or forwarding certain arguments. One example is the death penalty and abortion positions. (please note the word 'most'. I realize there are exceptions) Most who are against legal abortion are for a death penalty for heinous crimes. Likewise, most who are for legalized abortion are against the death penalty. Odd isn't it?

I am seeing another such paradox: The Bush lied position and the man-made catestrophic global warming position. As you think about it there are a number of parallels between the run up to the war in Iraq and the Global Warming alarmism being produced by Al Gore. Here are some I am thinking of:

- There are groups of people that are considered in the best position to know that believe(d) we were/are in severe danger
- Among the experts there are some detractors that reject the threat of danger actually exists but there is a claim of censensus that the threat truly exists
- The most extreme potential result of doing nothing is emphasized
- The response to the perceived danger is very costly
- Both are by 2000 presidential nominees; both claim to have won
- Both Bush and Gore are accused of cherry-picking evidence from the entirety of evidence available

So while the right has been asked repeatedly to defend their line of thinking when it comes to the war on terror in Iraq; I would ask how the left can continue their war on the US economy to thwart a danger they believe using a similar line of thinking Bush did in leading up to the war in Iraq? It is a paradox I look forward to hearing some thoughts on.

posted by All_I_Can_Stands @ 10:06 AM  

18 Comments:

  • At 8:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I have read some of your articles today for the first time and like what I see very much. Since this is my first visit and I have not had the time to digest all the points made, I can not comment except to agree, on a matter of principle, with almost all of what you have written. Although I am sure we will find some substantive issues on which to have divergent opinions, for now I say "WELL DONE" and keep on trucking.

     

  • At 9:32 PM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…

    hammer, thanks for stopping by. All points of view are welcome. Praise is appreciated, of course.

     

  • At 11:35 AM, Blogger Joe Smoe: American Citizen said…

    Sorry pally, but your reaching on this one!

    First of all if Gore was pres we wouldn't be in Iraq now, which is a verified Bush Failure and Afghanistan would be under lockdown and not a Narco republic spinning out of control like it is now. Also, the surplus would not have been given to the rich with country mired in debt owed to China and India, and we would have a REAL energy policy that doesn't give everything away to BIG OIL.

    Why don't you and the rest of the KOOLAID drinkers admit that this Administration and the Halfwitted Cowboy at the helm are a verifiable FAILURE?

    I have no faith in the Dems ,but I hope they take the majority cause I wanna see this DUI, coke snorting draft dodger IMPEACHED.

     

  • At 8:50 PM, Blogger Joe Smoe: American Citizen said…

    And I would like to add that even if Al Gore was a total liar he never caused the deaths of 2500+ (and counting) men and women of the Military for, a Lie based, if only an incompentantly runned and unnecessary war in Iraq. Face it no parsing of words or facts can absolve this Clown ie Bush of his failing both Domestically and internationally.

    Helen Thomas who has seen 'em come and go in the Oval Office summed it up best" Bush is the worst President ever"

    Don't think so...tell me why not?

     

  • At 9:06 PM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…

    Joe,

    Sorry pally, but your reaching on this one!

    If you read the post carefully, I am posting on the similarity of the two situations. I know how you feel about Bush and Iraq. The purpose of the post was not to argue the merits of either Iraq or Global Warming. I am simply wondering what others think of the strong similarities.


    Also, the surplus would not have been given to the rich with country

    Joe, you continue to keep your head in the sand over the FACT that revenues have gone up under Bush's across the board tax cuts just like they did when Reagan and JFK did it. You continue to link the deficit to the tax cut. Since revenues went up, this is completely false. It is kool-aid from the liberal camp.

    Yes the spending has gone out of hand with the cost of the war, the foolish notion that throwing more money at education will fix everything and the prescription drugs social program.

     

  • At 11:44 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Revenues went up after HW Bush and Clinton's tax hikes, too. Went WAY up. The pie tends to grow regardless of tax policy.

     

  • At 1:21 AM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…

    The pie tends to grow regardless of tax policy.

    Good! Then let's cut taxes some more.

     

  • At 8:29 AM, Blogger Jacob said…

    Maybe it's my Australian-ness making me a bit dense, but I can't figure out the relevance of the picture in your post.

    ??

     

  • At 8:39 AM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…

    I have been saving that picture for just the right moment to use in a global warming related post. Since the topic seemed to be dying down a bit I thought I better use it now or wait awhile. Since the post is not purely global warming I guess it was not obvious.

     

  • At 11:26 AM, Blogger Joe Smoe: American Citizen said…

    Yes the spending has gone out of hand with the cost of the war, the foolish notion that throwing more money at education will fix everything and the prescription drugs social program.

    All Bush engineered Failures. Face it Bush has done to the country what he did to every business that he every touch ie RAN IT INTO THE GROUND!!


    So much for the Rights Glorious CEO PREZ!

     

  • At 11:46 AM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…

    Joe, I have heard several references to Bush as CEO President. Other than you and perhaps other commenters at Ostroy I don't recall that reference kicked around. Do you know where it originated from? I am interested in the context behind it from the beginning.

    Thx

     

  • At 2:21 PM, Blogger Joe Smoe: American Citizen said…

    Much was made during the 2000 campaign of the fact that George W. Bush would be the first president to hold an MBA. The implication, cultivated by members of then-Gov. Bush's campaign, was that he would approach the challenges of the presidency much as a CEO tackles the day-to-day tasks of running a company.

    This is the perfect example of your average snotnosed Richboy that has never had to work for his money or knew the value of it and always used family connections to bail him out of all you missteps and screw ups.

    So much for that MBA.

     

  • At 2:39 PM, Blogger SkyePuppy said…

    Joe,

    This is the perfect example of your average snotnosed Richboy that has never had to work for his money or knew the value of it...

    Al "Senator's Son" Gore is every bit "the perfect example of your average snotnosed Richboy that has never had to work for his money" as GW Bush. Your argument is nothing more than "My snotnose is better than yours."

    And if you really believe Al Gore would have had the guts to lock down Afghanistan, you're out of your tree.

     

  • At 5:32 PM, Blogger Joe Smoe: American Citizen said…

    SkyePuppy said...
    Joe,

    This is the perfect example of your average snotnosed Richboy that has never had to work for his money or knew the value of it...

    Al "Senator's Son" Gore is every bit "the perfect example of your average snotnosed Richboy that has never had to work for his money" as GW Bush. Your argument is nothing more than "My snotnose is better than yours."

    And if you really believe Al Gore would have had the guts to lock down Afghanistan, you're out of your tree.

    2:39 PM


    Your Richboy ie Bush has spent the country into the ground...like all businesses that he ever ran. Al Gore maybe what you say ,but under him and Clinton they succeeded in cleaning up Bush 41 's economic mess.

    Also, if Gore was in there as he should have been we wouldn't be in Iraq fighting Bush's Failed MESS and thus we would have the military resources to lock down Afghan. Also,maybe if Gore had been in there he would have taken to heart the 40+ warnings that Bush ignored and could have stopped 911.

    Either way Bush is a failure.

     

  • At 10:40 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Joe,

    Trust me. Al Gore could have had 1,000+ warnings about terrorist threats, and he would have done nothing about them. The only threats he finds credible are phony threats on the environment, not real threats on human lives.

     

  • At 10:52 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    For evidence concerning my previous statement, just look at how Clinton/Gore handled real attacks, not just threats during their terms (World Trade Center, USS Cole, Embassy bombings.) What makes you think Gore would have paid serious attention to threats on paper when real bombings and loss of human lives didn't deter the Clinton administration from whatever it was they were doing?

     

  • At 11:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    r2,

    The Bush admin sat on this for months and months, failed to respond to the Cole bombing (you'll recall that that response was rightly defered to Bush), instead declaring war on waste and pushing missle defense, cleared some brush.

    If you're suggesting its obvioius that Clinton should have been more on it, then your guys look really really bad, demonstrably twiddling their thumbs over terrorism when handed power and having the issue brought to their attention again and again.

     

  • At 10:10 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    paw,

    I'm actually not suggesting that Clinton should have been more on it. (Although, in hindsight, it obviously would have been far better if both the Clinton and Bush administrations had been more aggressive.) What I'm trying to point out is the ridiculous notion that anyone, including Al Gore, would have somehow miraculously woken up to the threat before 9/11 took place. We all had a completely different mindset before that day, and I'm tired of hearing people blame the Bush administration (or anyone else other than those responsible - Islamic terrorists.) I only bring up the Clinton administration to show the hypocrisy of blaming Bush when the same signs were there earlier, and not taken as seriously as they should have been (again, in hindsight.)

     

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