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Thursday, October 16, 2008

Joe the Plumber He's Our Man If He Can't Do It No One Can

It was a stroke of genius for McCain to both tap into Barack Obama's self-exposure of his wealth redistribution plan and to put a face on the difference in policy by referencing Joe the Plumber in the debate last night. McCain was distinctly uncomfortable reaching across the aisle to slap Obama's face instead of shake his hand, but he did it. Yes, I wish he were a more gifted speaker and was able to nail Obama, but he did sow the seeds that now can be used to shoehorn them into the discourse of the MSM. While there were other items McCain brought attention to, the exposure of how Obama views the wealth of hard working Americans is the best chance at a game changer out there.

Joe the Plumber exudes the notion of hard work when you look at his hard, stocky build. He made clear that he hopes to work hard enough to get to the point he may be in the higher tax bracket that Obama wants to raise taxes on. While there is a small percent out there that have acquired wealth by being lucky or unscrupulous, most who achieve do so by having clear goals in their life and work (physically and/or intellectually) to gain their wealth. While taxation is necessary, the view that it is unfair to be able to keep the wealth after working so hard to achieve so it can be given to those who have not achieved is nothing less than socialism.

I have heard all the arguments of how the wealthy use a government funded infrastructure to build their wealth so it is only fair to take more from them. First, every able bodied person has the same opportunity as the next person to achieve. We have free education through high school. From there anybody can put themselves through college if they are committed enough. I put myself through college twice. I paid as much as I could and borrowed the rest. I paid off my loans. Name the obstacle and in most cases you can find many who have overcome the obstacle to achieve. How many millionaires are out there who:

- Have less than a 6th grade education
- Came to this country with nothing
- Grew up in the worst neighborhoods in the USA
- Faced the worst and ugliest prejudice
- Have physical handicaps such as blindness, deafness, lack one or more limbs, etc.
- Were abused physically, mentally or sexually by one or more relatives or family associates
- Made a mess of their teenage years with drugs, alchohol and unplanned pregnancy

All of these obstacles and more have been overcome by many. To then view the resulting wealth as something to take and give to others in the irresponsible ways that tend to keep the recipients enslaved to poverty is ridiculous.

Keep in mind, though, that there is already a built in mechanism to take more money from the wealthy than from those who have less. It is called "percentage". I pesonally think that anybody paying a double digit percentage of tax is nothing short of theft. Taking the lowest of double digit percentage of 10% watch how simple math causes every body to pay their fair share - especially the wealthy:

Income ------------Tax
$10 -------------------$1
$1000 ----------------$100
$25,000 --------------$2500
$75,000 --------------$7500
$250,000 -------------$25,000
$3,500,000 -----------$350,000
$1,000,000,000 ------$100,000,000

To say that because somebody makes $250,000 they should pay twice as much of a percentage ($50,000) is theft. Sadly, the percentages are much higher for achievers. While I am nowhere close to Obama's increase level, I am sickened every month to look at the amount of tax I am paying. I am sickened as I look at the year to date Federal, State and FICA taxes that I have paid this year. I am sickened as this year is coming to a close at the thought of having to work until late April for the government until we finally reach Tax Freedom Day and the money I make will be mine. While my wife and I do not make the cutoff yet, we hope to one day. In addition to my job, we are working hard to build a business she started a couple of years ago. The door to success has just now after all that effort begun to crack. It may take 2-3 more years before we are close, but the thought of reaching the point where we are told we are making too much money is disgusting.

Joe the Plumber interviewed with Family Security Matters. You can read his interview in full at this link. He is very articulate; unlike the sterotypical plumber one might think. We read about his working as a plumber 10-12 hours a day for the last 15 years and is only now in a position to think about expanding. He sums it up pretty well by describing higher taxes on achievers as "punishment":
Most people, you ask them “do you believe in the American Dream?” Nine times out of ten they’ll sit there and go, “Yeah, of course!” That’s where he messed up, because as soon as I asked him that, his answer shows that he doesn’t believe in the American Dream. You know, like the question you asked before – he pretty much contradicted himself. “I don’t want to punish you but – “ Well, you’re going to anyways.
Spread the wealth / Share the wealth is nothing but the wealth redistribution ideas right out of Karl Marx. Socialism is nothing but taking money from achievers at the point of a gun and giving it to non-achievers. There are those that have needs that they simply cannot handle on their own. I think a very thin safety net may be in order where the charitable giving of the many in this country with big hearts is not enough. To take money out of the hands of the wealthy, then put the money in the one hand of an underachiever and a vote in the other hand is a recipe for the unthankful, never ending sense of entitlement we see in this country. It leads people to sit on their door step in the face of a hurricane waiting for the government to come and pick them up and carry them to safety instead of using the two feet God gave them.

Update: It is official. We now know more about Joe the Plumber than we know about Obama's:

- Years at Columbia University
- Selection criteria to be asked to serve as Chairman of the CAC Board with only experience as a community organizer under his belt
- Years on the CAC Board with Bill Ayers
- 1981 trip to Pakistan

The media seems hot and heavy as a dog in heat to point out Joe the Plumber's tax liens, but seems unable to rouse themselves from sleep to discuss that the treasurer of Obama's campaign has tax liens and his companies also have them.

It is official that the media has totally abandoned any shame in being completely in the tank for Barack Obama. It will be months to years after this election that their shameful performance will catch up with them, but it will.

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  • At 10:01 AM, Blogger bobgnote said…

    Joe the Plumber is a foil, for John McCain, both crackers up to no good, making asses of themselves, with less than 20 days till November 4, 2008 and Obama's election. Obama goes off, how the energy deals are robbing our wealth, and McCain red-herrings up this Joe geek, with his pants around his ankles, trying to do math he doesn't know how to do! Maybe you need Carlos Mencia to tell you to your FACE, but your crack is hanging out, McCainiacs.

  • At 10:07 AM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…

    So basically bobgnote, you have nothing of substance to say. Just name calling.

    And, gee, we were led to believe the racism was on our side. Well we "crackers" have tough skin and don't get up in arms with racial epithets.

    As for the anger at Big Oil robbing our wealth, I have yet to hear one liberal complain about the OPEC countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia robbing our wealth as they suck up billions due to the high price of oil. Nope, only bash American oil companies.

  • At 10:08 AM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…

    Gee bobgnote, after I responded I look up your profile. Wow, your favorite book is the Quran? Now there's a shock.

  • At 11:18 AM, Blogger bobgnote said…

    Joe the Plumber is a RED HERRING. He is a personification of YOU and JOHN McCAIN, and of any other buttinski, who wants to hide how the deregulated energy deals needed to get reordered, before any settlements or bailouts, for the deregulated fund-Fudds. So what are you trying to say about ME, cracker? You sure are presumptuous and a CRACKER, ass-first, regardless of race, creed, or color, but stupid? Your remarks define you.

  • At 11:24 AM, Blogger bobgnote said…

    What else? If you buttinskis would let hemp media expand to relegalization, CO2-neutral products could start moving, buttcrack fever, or not. You buttcrack pundits sure are stupid and redundant, yo! You missed how the energy deals are robbing our wealth, but I guess butt-crackers don't think wealth is more than an ASS-sumption, of racism, against CRACKERS. But regardless of your race, you are stupid. Or how do you snap off three comments, without replying to the issues? A cracker doesn't have to be whitey, DUDE. But you can tell me about yourself, all you want, just don't make an ASS out of U and ME, get it? Your rotten, iron-poor mind needs spinach.

  • At 12:07 PM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…


    You talk about crack so much you must be on it. At the very least you have had too much caffeine. You spew off sentences that do not say anything.

    Joe Plumber is not a red herring. Joe Plumber represents the central difference between McCain and Obama. Obama wants to take money from achievers and give it to butt-sitters.

    As for whatever else you are trying to bring up and accuse me of not responding to: first, they have nothing to do with my post. Second they don't interest me. Third, I can hardly make heads or tails out of what you are talking about since 99% of everything you write is meaningless (cracker, butt-crack, etc.)

    Say something meaningful on topic or you will be ignored. So far you are a waste of my time.

  • At 5:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    After Joe made his début, Barack Obama brought him up at one of his rallies. He did it sneeringly, and honestly, I was disgusted. He turned to one side of the audience with that incredulous look on his face, changed his voice so that it sounded remarkably Negro (as opposed to educated), and tauntingly asked, “How many plumbers do you know who makes $250,000 a year?” Followed by a contemptible laugh. The sneer coincided with the word “plumber.”

    Of course, this is what leftist elitists do. They demean people who work for a living. Let me emphasize “work for a living.” I would rather have ten men like Joe around me, than a thousand of people like Barack Obama. Joe is real; Obama is a Fake.

    Good post, AICS . . . you’ve been blog rolled. I should have done this long before now.

    Semper Fi

  • At 8:57 PM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…

    Thanks Mustang. I'm honored. You may be interested to know my son is a Lance Corporal in the Marines. He has just finished his MOS training and is soon to be deployed in Japan.

    Joe is a huge force to reveal Obama's arrogance and his plan of wealth redistribution. He has good cause to hate Joe. If he loses the election it will be because of this interchange creating the game changer that McCain needed.


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