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Monday, July 31, 2006

The Qana story getting worse?

In addition to the other disgusting actions I have been posting on surrounding Hezbollah tactics and PR campaign, there is now an eye opening story. The IDF is claiming that the building that killed all those people including many children did not collapse until 8 HOURS AFTER Israel struck it. The story in Ynet is described:
IDF continuing to check difficult incident at Qana village, and attempting to account for strange gap between time of the strike on the building – midnight – and eight in the morning, when the building collapsed
What this implies is so unspeakable, it must be investigated, and if confirmed - dealt with. At a minimum these children were irresponsibly left in the building for hours after it was struck to then have it collapse on them. At worst, qeustions arise if the building was deliberately bombed by Hezbollah to get their PR campaign off to a quick start.

posted by All_I_Can_Stands @ 11:15 PM  

23 Comments:

  • At 1:05 AM, Blogger SkyePuppy said…

    Who wouldn't notice that their apartment building had been bombed? Normal people would get the heck outta there.

    With all the reports of Hezbollah preventing civilians from leaving dangerous areas (so Hezbollah can continue using them as shields), it wouldn't surprise me if Hezbollah had soldiers surrounding the building threatening to shoot any residents who tried to escape.

     

  • At 7:55 AM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…

    And why are they cramming kids in a building like sardines? It reminds me of when they fought in the Civil and Revolutionary Wars marching in a line. If only they would put a few feet in between them the casualty rate would be much lower. It was difficult to miss when you have a wall of flesh marching toward you.

    First, they should get the kids out of there. If it is absolutely impossible like some claim they should spread the kids out. Not clump them together.

     

  • At 6:06 PM, Blogger Joe Smoe: American Citizen said…

    So, I think it's safe to assume Bush's Mid East policy is a shambles as he lets Israel destroy the only Democracy in the Middle East and one of the few Arab countries that don't hate the U.S.

    Just another example of how ALL that this Bozo and the corrupt GOP have proclaimed to be true and right is now shown to be wrong or just a plain lie.

    Can't wait for November...I smell impeachment.

     

  • At 10:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Joe Schmoe, your reasoning is intriguing.... it's all Bush's fault and it's all the fault of those damably misinformed voters who elected bush..twice...

    Also, what is so precious about a "democracy" that allows thugs to overrule the elected government?

    I suspect you have good reasons to feel the way you do adn I, for one would like to see a well reasoned rehearsal of those reasons.

     

  • At 4:35 AM, Blogger LA Sunset said…

    Joe,

    In 1948, George Bush was 2. How in the world can you honestly blame him for something that goes back that far? Every American President since that time, has had to deal with this.

     

  • At 6:43 AM, Blogger Mojo_Risin said…

    The other explanation that is starting to come out of this is that the collapse WAS staged, and that the "victims" had actually died much earlier (maybe in different attacks) and were then transported to the building to create the scene.

    Definitely a horrible thing... but maybe not as horrible as forcing live children to stay in a building that was set to be detonated.

     

  • At 7:20 AM, Blogger Malott said…

    I wonder if Charlie Sheen and other loons on the Left think this delayed building collapse is another conspiracy just like the WTC. Probably not, since Hezbollah is on their side of this struggle.

    And Joe, Lebanon may have elections, but the government serves at the pleasure of Syria, Iran, and Hezbollah... so calling it the Middle East's only Democracy?
    And maybe you forgot about the representative governments in Israel and Iraq?

    And keep talking about impeachment. It represents just one more disconnect between the American people and the Left-Wing-Loons that dominate the Democrat Party.

     

  • At 8:23 AM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…

    wow, what a great set of comments this morning.

    hammer is right about the Lebanon "democracy". From the Hezbollah leader's own lips, the Leb. President knew about their plan from the beginning. I am all for a democracy there, but the place is run by terrorists instead of the government, why is that something promising?

    LA, when I became interested in politics, Carter was holding his meetings at Camp David. He was so fooled into thinking a diplomatic solution would work he didn't campaign as much as he planned to work on peace in the M.E.

    Mojo, I heard there is a morgue nearby that held some of the bodies from previous casualties. It may also explain why there were only two children photographed. Anyway, whether they were forced to stay in or dead beforehand, the fact is that the world body is allowing themselves to be played for suckers all so they can bend over backwards for Hezbollah.

    Malott, you raise an excellent point I heard elsewhere, too. The left is so quick to believe wacko theories such as our government staging 9-11, yet they cannot fathom a terrorist group staging incidents like Qana.

     

  • At 8:25 AM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…

    Joe, you are a great addition to this blog. However, you might want to consider getting more than just one note to play a song. :)

    - unlike Mojo I don't feel dirty using smileys. Heh.

     

  • At 8:47 AM, Blogger SkyePuppy said…

    AICS,

    I prefer my smilies with a nose. I just can't get used to the idea of portraying myself as happy if I haven't got a nose on my face.

    Anytime you need me to elevate the conversation (which actually hasn't degraded much this time), you just let me know. :o)

     

  • At 9:24 AM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…

    Skyepuppy,

    There are a few noses that can add real dimension to this discussion. You showed the snowman nose:

    :0)

    There is the Silas Marner miser nose:

    :>)

    And there is the Michael Jackson "botched" nose:

    :*)

    or the Pinnochio nose:

    :----) or really :-)---

    By George I think you and I have solved all the world's problems with these comments!

     

  • At 10:19 AM, Blogger Joe Smoe: American Citizen said…

    Blah..blah..blah... So what is the story for the Road map for Peace, Spreading Democracy around the world, How goes things in Iraq today, How about that Narco Republic Afghanistan????

    You guys, the Neocons and all GOP supporters have had your chance and now look at the MESS that is there for all to see. All you have now are excuses for this moron and all his failed policies.

    Time to face facts and realize that if everything to this piont has failed maybe it is time to try something else...that is your QUE for more excuses, false analogies ( ie WW2) and plain old partisan schlock.

    Wake up!

     

  • At 11:26 AM, Blogger SkyePuppy said…

    Joe,

    The story for the Road Map for Peace, et al, is diplomacy. We sit down, talk to all the crazies leading Middle East countries, show them our smiley faces (with the proper nose), and they'll come around and be genuinely nice guys and stop hating us.

    Diplomacy works, right?

     

  • At 12:29 PM, Blogger Joe Smoe: American Citizen said…

    SkyePuppy said...
    Joe,

    The story for the Road Map for Peace, et al, is diplomacy. We sit down, talk to all the crazies leading Middle East countries, show them our smiley faces (with the proper nose), and they'll come around and be genuinely nice guys and stop hating us.

    Diplomacy works, right?

    11:26 AM

    So, Now we as a nation talk to the wackos and those that won't play ball with us??? I thought we just went it alone Unilaterally and stomp ass..oh that's right that failed with Iraq and now we ie Bushco wants to play nice with the UN ( which was irrelevant before Iraq) and with OLD EUROPE???

    Sounds like just another GOP/NEOCON excuse for failure to me?

     

  • At 1:02 PM, Blogger SkyePuppy said…

    Joe,

    You didn't get my point. Your side is the one that always wants to talk. To tyrannical, genocidal dictators and terrorists. And you expect them to see the error of their murderous ways, just by the brilliance of diplomatic conversation.

    You might as well use a smiley face on them for all the good diplomacy will do.

     

  • At 2:47 PM, Blogger Joe Smoe: American Citizen said…

    SkyePuppy said...
    Joe,

    You didn't get my point. Your side is the one that always wants to talk. To tyrannical, genocidal dictators and terrorists. And you expect them to see the error of their murderous ways, just by the brilliance of diplomatic conversation.

    You might as well use a smiley face on them for all the good diplomacy will do.

    1:02 PM

    What side is that...I embrace no political party.

    However, we tried it the Neocon/Preemptive strike way, Bush Cowboy tough talk way and look where it has got us: Iraq is in Civil war, Afghanistan is in turmoil,Iran and S. Korea are laughing at us, all our allies hold us in contempt, and Israel is leading the way to Armmegedon..you GOP/NEOCOns got anymore Bright Ideas/ALL THE RIGHT ANSWERS????

     

  • At 3:34 PM, Blogger SkyePuppy said…

    Joe,

    What side is that...I embrace no political party.

    You don't seem to embrace anything. Your words are full of invective, name-calling, and vitriolic criticism. There's nothing you find praiseworthy or supportable that comes out in your comments.

    I'm not asking you to support President Bush's policies, but my God, what do you support? What solutions do you have to offer? What would you do differently that you believe might have a chance to help? What leaders on the national or world stage do you believe would do better?

    Knock it off with the constant screaming about Bush, and try to be useful.

    (Sorry, AICS, I know it's your blog, but I've had it up to here with Joe's garbage.)

     

  • At 4:59 PM, Blogger Joe Smoe: American Citizen said…

    (Sorry, AICS, I know it's your blog, but I've had it up to here with Joe's garbage.)

    3:34 PM

    TYPICAL, as soon as you can't answer the question or support you arguement with facts you O'reilly types scream for censorship.

    I am for secure borders, A strong military, prosperity for the common man, and accountability for failure. All of which Bush and the GOP have failed on.

    Example: Bush seeks amnesty for Illegals and has yet to send the 6,ooo troops to the border that he promised ie another Bush LIE.

    The military is massively overextended and underfunded...maybe we need more tax cuts??

    I want prosperity for all not just those that qualify for tax cuts and are making a mint off the stock market. You think the economy is doing great??? Go talk to the millions that have lost good paying jobs and filed for Bankruptcy, lost their health insurance under Commpassionate conservatism.

    Also, Iraq is in Civil War, the army is underfunded, and Afghanistan is in turmoil and is a NArco Republic. All this under Bush and the GOP and no one has been fired or been made to pay, only those Generals that state the Facts and the truth about what is really happening. Facts and truth all things to be avioded in the land of Bush. To bad truth and the Facts can't be quantified under the Junk Science of Intelligent Design maybe then Bush would see the facts for what they are.


    You got a problem with me or my beliefs feel free to come to my Blog and spout whatever factless based Rovian swill you want and it will stand without censorship, but be prepared to defend your position with facts.

    Speaking of facts face them and realize that Bush and the GOP have failed on all levels and it is time for change.

     

  • At 5:04 PM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…

    Oops, I put my response to Joe in the wrong place. Here it is:

    Joe,

    I will point out again that at any major decision point we only really see what happened after the decision and implementation of that decision was made. We cannot see what would have happened had a different decision had been made or a different implementation of the decision used. My point does not insulate decisions from criticism. However, in some situations like the middle-east it is extremely likely that undesirable events will happen as a result of ANY decision we make including the decision to do nothing. For any criticism to carry weight at all, it should not simply be to point out what happens as a result of the decision. It should be accompanied by well reasoned points of what should have been done and supporting points of what might have happened if that different decision or implementation would have occurred. That is what I think hammer is asking for.

    Skyepuppy makes the excellent point that we are hard pressed to point to any time in the middle-east (or other trouble spots in the world) where diplomacy has resulted in long lasting success. As in areas of human health you may try to solve a health problem with diet and exercise. Sometimes you need radical medicine or even surgery to deal with the problem.

    To simply say the middle-east is a mess and therefore Bush was wrong does not suffice. If Bush had done nothing or taken all the diplomatic approached forwarded by the liberals in the world we still likely would see a mess in the middle-east.

     

  • At 6:33 PM, Blogger SkyePuppy said…

    Joe,

    TYPICAL, as soon as you can't answer the question or support you arguement with facts you O'reilly types scream for censorship.

    I'm trying to find actual questions in your comments to this post. "Got anymore Bright Ideas?" is not a question that deserves an answer.

    I already answered your question about diplomacy.

    Then there's, "So what is the story for the Road map for Peace, Spreading Democracy around the world, How goes things in Iraq today, How about that Narco Republic Afghanistan????"

    Um... that's not a coherent question either.

    So I'll try to respond to some of your contentions.

    1. Iraq is not in a civil war. There are some neighborhoods where Shiites or Sunnis are killing the other group, but this is not widespread.

    2. Afghanistan may be in turmoil. I don't know enough about the situation to come down on one side or the other, but the news reports (which I take with a rock of salt) indicate that the warlords are rearing their ugly heads, and restoring order is a challenge.

    3. Iran is laughing at us. They're also laughing at the EU, the UN, and everyone else but Syria and their terrorist buddies. The longer we go without responding forcefully to Iran's flipping us off over their nuclear program, the more brazen they'll get and the more likely it will be that they blast somebody--probably Israel.

    4. S Korea is laughing at us? Do you mean North Korea? Not sure how to respond to this.

    5. You say that "all" our allies hold us in contempt. Who do you consider our allies? Britain, Australia, and Poland? Or do you mean France, Germany, and Russia?

    6. Israel is not leading the way to Armageddon. Israel is trying to eradicate the threat to their existence which is parked at their northern border. If this turns into Armageddon, it will be Hezbollah's doing--probably at the instigation of Syria at the instigation of Iran (see #3).


    7. I'm not a big O'Reilly fan. He's too full of himself, and that's annoying. Brit Hume is more my style.


    8. I didn't scream for censorship. Nobody asked AICS to ban you from commenting. I asked you to behave yourself better and to be more coherent.

    9. Don't get me started on secure borders. Bush stinks on that. Ugh!

    9a. Don't blame Bush entirely for the shortage of troops along the border. Here in California, Arnold refused to give Bush all the National Guard troops he requested. Blame the Governator for some of the shortfall.

    10. You favor "prosperity for the common man." That reminds me of the mayor of my city whose statement in the voter's guide was, "I'm for excellence." Who is against this, for Pete's sake? And when the common man achieves prosperity, then are you in favor of taxing him to help the less prosperous common man? This sounds like a socialist statement. If it is, then I'm against it.

    I've said more than enough, though I haven't answered all your points. You can accuse me of running away from the rest of your points in fear of exposing myself as blathering (or is it blithering?) idiot, but that's not the case. I have other things I need to do.

     

  • At 6:52 PM, Blogger SkyePuppy said…

    Joe,

    I missed one important point. You said, "Speaking of facts face them and realize that Bush and the GOP have failed on all levels and it is time for change."

    If by a change, you mean putting the Democrats in power, you have got to be out of your ever-lovin' mind!!!

    The GOP might keep us at risk. The Democrats will get us killed!

     

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