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Sunday, July 30, 2006

The madness of proportionality

I cannot believe how much play this concept of proportionality (or lack of it on Israel's side) has had during this conflict. It is really the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. The concept that during a conflict such as this, that one side should be bogged down with whether they are being too effective against the enemy, is mind-boggling.

When I was in high school playing basketball we were not the best team. We were lucky to win half the games in the season. Once we played a team that was far worse than us. When it became obvious that we were going to cream them, the second string was put in to play. We still did much better than their team and the score was quite high against them. During those years I recall we played a team that was far better than us. They did not worry about how badly they were beating us. Rather, they seemed to be shooting for a record high score. Finally, in a more current game where one of the teams in my son's school was playing, we had moved ahead by about 25 points. We put in our second string and when the score got closer, we put the starters back in. Suddenly the other team had a lucky streak and nearly beat us.

The point is that in sports proportionality is an option. It sometimes seems like a good option, but as you see it can come back to bite you. In war, however, the concept is so beyond the pale of being silly that I am shocked that it has even passed the lips of world leaders. The idea in war is to win. The swifter the win, the better. To hold back in any way is to risk the lives of your own soldiers. To look at a body count and determine that today you should relax and not be so aggressive is foolish. Why should even one of your soldiers die because the enemy was given a chance to regroup.

In a final analogy, how would it turn out if two were arm wrestling proportionately? It would keep going and going and going. The same is in war. If Israel fights proportionately, this conflict will keep going and going and going. Y0u can only ever win anything by disproportionately engaging your opponent. That is what Israel is doing.

There is also talk of disproportionate civilian casualties. Because Israel is invading Lebanon and because Israel has actually prepared bomb shelters for their civilians, of course the Lebanese civilian casualties will be higher. How many liberals were criticizing the US government over the timing and methods used to evacuate their citizens from Lebanon? Yet we do not hear one word over how the Lebanese government is completely failing at moving their people to safety. Hezbollah continues its tactics of hiding behind the skirts of the UN, women and children. So when Israel targets known Hezbollah hot spots and the civilians they are hiding with get killed who is blamed? None of the appeasers and Israel haters are blaming Hezbollah. None are criticizing the Lebaneze government. The fact is that every time Hezbollah hides among the civilian population, the blood of their dead civilians falls on their heads.

A final word on disproportion: if the attack from Israel is so disproportionate, why is not Hezbollah surrendering by now? The goal of Israel is either the destruction or surrender of Hezbollah. Yet the amount of force they have used thus far has not been enough to enable that end. Why then should the world body expect them to use less? Israel did what the world asked in giving back land. Land for peace was a bill of goods not worth the paper written on it. Instead the enemy got closer and attacked from there. When Israel instead of responding built a wall of protection, the world body criticized that. With "three" arms handcuffed, Israel still did what was asked of them and still they were attacked. Talk about disproportion. The response of Israel was not simply the capture of a couple of soldiers. It was a response to being attacked even after all they did to cooperate in hope of peace.

The next word cropping up from the media is "provoked". The claim is that Israel was provoking Hamas and Hezbollah to send suicide bombers, rockets and kidnappers. In other words "the devil made me do it" is the excuse for targeting innocent civilians. In a rational world that would not fly. However, the world body is not rational. They have chosen sides in their hatred of Israel and all reasoning dribbles from that premise.


  • At 1:53 PM, Blogger Malott said…

    I wish we could invite members of the Israeli Defense Forces to New York to deal with the Jew-Haters in the UN.

    Someone has said that if this proportionality thing was the rage back in the forties we would have bombed the harbor in Tokyo and called it even.

    Lebanon is the abused step-child in all this and that is unfortunate. It's a shame that Israel isn't also going after those behind Hezbollah in Syria and Iran.

  • At 4:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    If the so-called civilized world doesn't allow Hezbollah to be silenced at this point, I wonder if they will even issue a whisper when terrorists increase the madness of deliberate killing of jewish people in Israel and elsewhere.

    Perhaps Israel's mistake is in failing to use the civilians as a shield as does Hezbollah. It appears that Kofi and friends are more partial to deliberate slaughter of civilians than they are by accidental killings... hmmmm, I wonder if the Israelies have noticed this?????

  • At 9:44 PM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…

    It appears that Kofi and friends are more partial to deliberate slaughter of civilians than they are by accidental killings.

    An excellent observation of their warped mentality.

    Yes we see a lot of civilian deaths in Lebanon just like we saw in Afganistan and Iraq. I am saddened to see the deaths, but I have yet to see proof that these are targeted. You are right, the world response to accidental civilian death by Israel spikes while their response to Hezbollah and Hamas targeting civilians is flatline.

    Thanks for you comments anonymous. Not sure if you have been here before. I like to mention if you plan to come again an alias would be helpful to tell people apart. Even if you just put some identifier at the bottom of your comment.

  • At 7:06 AM, Blogger LASunsett said…

    The interesting thing to note is the world's cry for Israel to fight, with one-arm tied behind its back. Well, even with its highly disproportionate response, it is still fighting with one arm tied nehind its back. And it is winning.

    Imagine it, if they really unleashed.

  • At 11:19 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Two Israeli soldiers are captured and Israel begins to pummel Lebanon back to the stone age, crippling civilian infrastructure and displacing 800,000 people so far. Seems fair, right?

    Let's go on a brief excursion into pre-history. I’m talking about June 20, 2006, when Israeli aircraft fired at least one missile at a car in an attempted extrajudicial assassination attempt on a road between Jabalya and Gaza City. The missile missed the car. Instead it killed three Palestinian children and wounded 15.

    Back we go again to June 13, 2006. Israeli aircraft fired missiles at a van in another attempted extrajudicial assassination. The successive barrages killed nine innocent Palestinians.

    Now we're really in the dark ages, reaching far, far back to June 9, 2006, when Israel shelled a beach in Beit Lahiya killing eight civilians and injuring 32.

    That's just a brief trip down Memory Lane, and we trip over the bodies of twenty dead and forty-seven wounded, all of them Palestinians, most of them women and children.

    The portrayal of Israel as the innocent victim in the Gaza conflict is hard to square with the death toll in the months leading up to the current crisis; between September 2005 and June 2006, 144 Palestinians in Gaza were killed by Israeli forces, according to a list compiled by the Israeli human rights group B'tselem; 29 of those killed were children. During the same period, no Israelis were killed as a result of violence from Gaza.

    And this is just recent history.

    You can now return to your regularly scheduled ignorance.

  • At 12:24 PM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…

    Hmmm, no word about all the Hezbollah extrajudicial rockets flying at innocent civilians.

  • At 3:09 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    You are painfully clueless and have zero historical perspective.

    In your utterly confused and hypocritical worldview, the Palestinians must forever endure Israel killing its civilians without any response. They're supposed to just shut up and accept Israel annexing 10% of the Palestinian territories and creating isolated ghettos with the Wall.

    In its short history, Israel has killed and displaced hundreds of thousands of Palestinians, all with the support and good graces of the United States. Israel stands in violation of more than 60 UN Resolutions. Those resolutions were good enough for your crew going into Iraq, but you ignore them in every other instance.

  • At 5:19 PM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…

    Anonymous, two things. First, you supply no form of alias about yourself. Maybe you are new, but it helps to know which anonymous is which.

    Second, you supply no proof of your claims against Israel. I admit that Israel like the US has caused collateral damage on civilians. Mostly this is because Hezbollah (and the resistance in Iraq) are cowards and hide among the women and children. Each of their dead children is a PR victory for them, so they do not care of the deaths.

    I know who is painfully clueless here. It is you who supply nothing to support what you say.

  • At 4:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    You're pathetic.

    I have plenty to support what I say and you know it and so do any of your readers with half a brain. Your flacid comments are showing how weak and uninformed you are.

    But you asked, so here's just a few facts and figures, which you will obviously have no interest in since they point out what a buffoon you are. They're from an Israeli human rights organization.

  • At 5:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Since it seemed to break, here is the link again, embedded and spelled out:

  • At 10:59 PM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…

    Talk about pathetic. This was a BBC hit piece with only summary information with no details. In a summary report it is so easy to hide details. It is easy to make claims that cannot be assailed because there are no details to critique. You are going to need to do better than that.


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