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Friday, March 31, 2006

Canada takes the lead on Hamas

Our neighbors to the north have made a bold step in becoming the first country (after Israel) to formally cut funding to Palestine because of the new Hamas leadership voted in. After some surprising world pressure (except for Russia of course) on Hamas to denounce its terrorist past and commit to recognizing Israel's right to exist, Hamas' response was along the same lines as Scalia's Sicilian gesture. Leaders of Hamas made a trip to meet with the man who states he wants to blow Israel off the map; the Iranian kook (who is not worthy of my making the effort to memorize his long, hard name, Iranian kook will suffice). They then met with Russian president Putin, whose mixed signals were designed to undermine the US while not taking too much international heat. While Putin has some good points (love how he handled that theater terrorist situation), he exemplifies the old adage "never trust a Russian".

So Canada has taken the lead in actually making good on the threat to remove funding from Palestine. With new leadership in Canada some good steps have been made and this is a great one. The US should cultivate that by being second to make this official.

Faraj Nakleh, acting president of the Canadian Arab Federation takes this the wrong way:

After decades of Israeli occupation, Palestinians are now effectively being punished for democratically electing a government they believe can help, he said.

“Suddenly we’re saying: `It’s okay to have a democratic vote, but if we don’t like the result then you can’t have that.’

“I’m not defending any Hamas group. All I’m saying is, they were elected.”

Excuse me, but nobody said Palestine did not have the right to vote in who they want. It should be clear to Nakleh that there is a genuine concern that dollars given to a Hamas led government will more likely go toward the destruction of Israel than more productive areas. Of course, Nakleh follows the same logic I was pointing out from illegal immigrants, "We just want it".

Nakleh also states:
“What is at stake is that there’s a population of about 3.5 million people in the West Bank and Gaza that is starving.”
Then I would suggest that the Hamas led Palestine focus on the economy and growth of their people rather than wiping Israel off the map and other distractions. Not holding my breath.


  • At 9:40 AM, Blogger Michael said…

    Wow, Canadian leadership's going to take a lot of heat aren't they? At least the whiny liberals in our country won't like it too much anyway.

  • At 9:43 AM, Blogger Malott said…

    Wow is right.

    Canada does the right thing while we continue sending money, freeing up funds for the purchase of explosives.

  • At 11:34 PM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…

    michael, welcome. I think this is your first comment. US liberals will be offended, but have a hard time trying to avoid being aligned with Hamas. In this case the buzzwords seem to revolve around claiming that we wanted democracy and then are withholding money because we did not like the result. classic doublespeak.

    Chris, hopefully the US is next to stop funding.

  • At 9:42 PM, Blogger Housewife4Palestine 4 بيت فلسطين said…

    Canada backed away from Hamas due to threats from the USA government. It is a known fact that USA threatens economic santions against canada to do what they wish or most in the European block. As for funding in regards to war situation, the funding was mainly for Medical supplies, Food, and to pay employees( like the Sanitation Person). How would you like to have almost no lights in your home? It cost money!

  • At 9:43 PM, Blogger Housewife4Palestine 4 بيت فلسطين said…

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  • At 10:31 PM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…

    housewife, thanks for commenting. I know we are on different sides of this issue, but even being for Palestine you should be able to appreciate the sentiment that we do not want our dollars used to target and blow up civilians and neither does Canada. If funding goes for humanitarian aid since they justify the killing it should not be hard to justify spending the money on bombs instead of what the money was given for.

    It would be good if I could see some supporting evidence of the US forcing other countries to do what we want. If that is so, it does not always seem to work since they are always sticking it to us when they get the chance.

  • At 7:30 AM, Blogger Housewife4Palestine 4 بيت فلسطين said…

    You’re Welcome and yes we are on different sides of the Wall, but do you agree with the Israeli’s constant bombardment of the West Bank and Gaza killing Women and Children daily? That is with the use of American tax dollars. And a lot more money then the USA has ever given to the Palestinians.

    As for the money use by the Palestinians, you have to remember their has been no suicide bombing in any Occupied city for 20 months, and this was due to the fore mentioned bombardment. I think I have mentioned most Palestinians are not for suicide bombings, if you actually bother to check you would have found out that the way I mentioned the use of said money is true. Right now people in the Gaza and the West Bank are dying of starvation; the services I mentioned are collapsing to lack of funds. There is no medicine, to help the people that are sick or who the Israeli’s are injuring. Of course there is not help for the dead.

    As for USA, threatening other countries such as Canada, I think you can still find this information on the net if you look. The main thing I know is the biggest Export situation in Canada is lumber and the USA government did threaten to shut off any economic imports to the USA if they did not go along with the USA foreign policy towards Israel. I do know for a fact the USA does this with other countries.

    Most Palestinians are not war mongers like so many in the West believe. We are hard workers and wish a good life for our children just like anyone else. And if you bother to read both sides of every issue you post you will find this to be true. Like me mentioning about where the sanction money was really going, it is a proven fact that Hamas has built hospitals and schools and they even know if they are the government they have to care for the people. The only reason Hamas was shut off from having money was due to the fact they will not recognize the existence of Israel, this is because Israel actually stole Palestine. If you do not understand about this you need to really read about the Palestinian/ Israeli conflict from the beginning.

    The Palestinian people have lived in this country for about 7,000 years continuously please do not forget this, the Zionist’s started invading Palestinian in about 1917 and through quartion and out right theft they stole the country. And they are the real war mongers and terrorist not the Palestinians. The fire power difference is Israel M16, bio chemical warfare (USA made) est.; to a rock and the occasional suicide bomb. Think about it!

  • At 8:58 AM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…

    Housewife, the way I see it there seems to be enough historical control of this land by both sides to think they have a firm claim to the land going back to the time of Joshua then David and then Jesus. There was also the fact that some land was captured when Israel was attacked in the 6 Day war. Then add the religious context and you simply add fire to both sides. I am admittedly Christian, so you know where I would stand there, but the points of my faith would not be compelling to another who does not share that faith. (plus I would get the Zionist label smacked on my forehead)

    So religion aside, the only way to settle this peacefully is to divide up the land between the two people. This has been done to some degree and there will never be agreement on how to divide it. I don't see either side agreeing to get up and walk away. I also do not see either side giving the other side a satisfactory answer. Palestine seems to want ALL while Israel has been willing to limit that to MOST.

    As for no suicide bombing in 20 months in the occupied territories; it is not really a great thing when we have the recent bombing in Tel Aviv. I also still am only seeing evidence of Israel's violence as being defensive or targeting a bombing participant and others nearby get caught in the strike because the bombers tend to hide among civilians.

    The American media is quite a phenomenon. The accusation that it is composed of many Jews is true. Yet these Jews seem to be emasculated and disloyal to their people. Even a movie maker like Spielberg sold his own people out in his recent movie "Munich". They go to great lengths to appear neutral in this even to the point of being anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian. My point is that if Israel were doing what you say they are doing our media would be showing it loud and clear. They are not. I realize as I said that when Israel targets a suspect that others get killed in the process. I do not believe they are randomly targeting Palestinians to kill, and I have seen no evidence that they do.

    As for their heavy handed measures in the occupied territories; I have no details but some of it is likely true. I am sure the continued stream of suicide bombers does not encourage them to be overly benevolent.

  • At 1:12 PM, Blogger Housewife4Palestine 4 بيت فلسطين said…

    Please do not dictate to me about history when major parts of it you seem to be lacking greatly. The Jewish population that doesn’t support the Zionist regime has a valid reason for doing so. Again you need to learn more about history.

    As for anything in the American Media it is a known fact that this self same media used extreme censorship towards the conflict due to the fact their support of this Zionist Political Secular Machine. I know what ever I say you will not believe the truth, like I think I mentioned to you before if it was a wet fish slapping you straight in the eye. The main thing you need to do is take off the horse blinders and start looking around you.

    As for your Political/Religious views, yes you are a Zionist; in my opinion. Like I told you before, someday I hope you look back when your house is burning and your family is dying before your eyes, like I have seen some of mine. And are you yet to understand why some Palestinians live as a Refugee or are born in Exile?

    What part of occupation don’t you understand? Israel doesn’t wish to share; they want the whole package with everyone else out of the picture! As for the six day war they stole land that rightfully belonged to Egypt and since has been returned. Israel talks peace with one side of their mouth while the other side is working towards the next kill.

    You once questioned my creditability, I find you shouldn’t post or write about things with out accurate knowledge because this shows you as the fool. And you wish to understand what the whole issue is and like I said you will never seen everything in front of you with those blinders! The internet is full of information, but yet you enjoy posting the propaganda, you really need to get and education before you think you can get your feet wet in a world you have no knowledge!

  • At 6:50 PM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…

    Housewife, insults and bold statements are not a substitute for proof. You have accused me of wearing blinders on this issue and yet nothing you have said convinces me that you are not the one wearing blinders. I at least am willing to listen to your side of things without hurling insults, yet I cannot say the same for you.

    I have asked you for proof or some kind of evidence (other than claiming I am ignorant and wet behind the ears). I don't claim to know everything, but I am not ignorant.

    Please do not even try to claim that the US media is Zionist. That is downright laughable. Try listening to it once in a while. Would you claim that Chritiane Amanpour, Dana Milbanks, Anderson Cooper, Dan Rather, Bob Sheiffer, Katie Couric, Matt Lauer, Wolf Blitzer, Helen Thomas, Jack Cafferty, Miles O'Brien, Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews and many others are Zionist? Are you going to try and claim that the New York Times, Washington Post, LA Times, Time Magazine, Newsweek and many other periodicals are Zionist. That is downright false.

    You say "Israel doesn’t wish to share; they want the whole package with everyone else out of the picture!"

    Do you claim Palestinians want to share or do they want the whole package?

    "As for the six day war they stole land that rightfully belonged to Egypt and since has been returned."

    The return of that land was ridiculous. Israel was attacked and in their defense gained the upperhand and took the land by right. This is the risk one takes when they attack someone else. So then Egypt after getting defeated in battle goes back and demands their land back and Israel is just supposed to do so? Take Israel out of the mix since it causes one sided blindness. If in the war between Iran and Iraq some land was taken, should they then have to give it back after the war is over? I don't think so.

    Yes, the Internet is full of information. Would you care to venture how much of it is false? I have to painstakingly sift through a lot of information and search for supporting valid documentation before I can make claims. On my blog when I have no supporting documentation, I believe I make it clear it is my opinion. When I have supporting documentation I provide it. I am willing to hear your side, but it has to be more than "because I say it is true" for me to consider it. As for the wet fish smacking me in the eye, I have yet to take any claim from you that I can establish as factual and supportable. Even the website you sent me to is constructed by somebody simply expecting their claims to be believed without proof.

    If there is so much genocide from Israel happening, how hard can it be to document with cameras? I have seen doctored footage trying to be passed off as real. This should be very easy to pull off if it is true but much harder to construct if it is false.

  • At 7:21 PM, Blogger Housewife4Palestine 4 بيت فلسطين said…

    When you first intruded on my blog page if you remember you gravely insulted me without really reading any information, that has since much been proven as true by the global media. My blog page has been on the American News has yours? It is a proven fact that America uses censorship and I certainly do not think the countless dead in the Palestinian sections they are doing it themselves. If you care to read all the history and current Media besides American you will see the real aggressor. I will assure you it is not predominantly the Arab countries. Like two years ago, two Egyptian boarder Police was shot from the Israeli side on to the Egyptian side, it was considered blatant murder. But the Israeli’s walked free.

    Do you read or see anything besides the American news, like Global news; you will find me there too. If you had actually bothered to really read and understand what I write about maybe you could understand why the United States has been threatened in the past and as of yesterday is still being threatened. These are not ideal threats by people who have nothing better to do with their time.

    If the current situation is not stopped by a straight foreword peace agreement you will see what I have tried to explain to you. You will see a war unlike the world has ever known. And myself I do not wish this to happen.

    As you say to document some information with cameras, have you seen lately the number of journalist trying to get information out and was murdered by the Israeli government. And I know you will come back at me and say this is not so. If you get a chance see a couple of movies, one is called “Jenin,” where after the movie was made a man named Iyad Samoudi was murdered by the Israeli’s. The second is called; “Gaza strip” and I hope you come away with a better understanding. These are not mere movies but documentaries.

    As for internet information, I would hope you had the sense to knew truth from propaganda. But so far what I have seen on you page I am sorry to say it seems like you do not. I tend you think you live in a very small world, like my father use to say get your head out of that hole, because your head supporting Israel will get you into deep troubles and I actually do not wish harm to you are anyone. But if you do not be idle and actually wake up I hope you would have enough sense to see who is the real enemy and I will assure you it never was anyone that is either Muslim or Middle Eastern

  • At 4:18 PM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…

    Housewife, It is a fair statement that I was insulting on my first visits to your blog. As I explained there, it appeared from the 10-20 posts that I read that you were justifying the actions of suicide bombers. You later stated you did not support it but you understood it. That has led to other discussions where both of us have refrained from being overly insulting. In my last comment to you, though, it was not to complain about your insults. Feel free if that is how you feel. My point was that they were not a good substitution for proof or a logical point. Those who disagree with me tend to get insulting after a few comments back and forth and it leads me to believe they have run out of ammunition. Kind of like in the movies where the actor runs out of bullets and in frustration throws the empty gun at their target.

    Statements such as "It is a proven fact that America uses censorship" do not carry much weight. Simply saying it does not make it so. If you mean the US government exercises censorship over the media, it is not a proven fact. If that were the case why would the US media be so critical of George Bush? Why would they be leaking national security secrets to aid the enemy? Your statement does not hold up in the face of reality. Now, if you mean that the media exercises self-censorship by choosing what they want to write about and what they wish to be silent about, this is true. It is called being bias. The so-called mainstream media has a liberal, anti-GOP, anti-Israel bias. The new media such as talk radio and a portion of blogs such as mine tend to have a conservative bias. Just as your blog has a pro-Palestinian bias.

    As for your comments about having sense to know truth from propaganda, I believe I do have a good sense in that area. I am sure you feel that you have such a good sense to do the same thing. Yet we disagree. This shows that claiming to have such sense is not as important as verification of facts. The process I use to sort through the jungle of information is very involved. It involves constantly putting sources of information I trust to the test. When these sources are challenged I take the sources of the challenge and trace them back as far as I can go. Almost always they end up with a source that is simply spewing their opinions without any factual documentation. However, once a trusted source makes an error and does not correct it when faced with proof, I cross them off of my trusted source list. The New York Times, Washington Post and AP are all guilty of distortion of the truth with insufficient or non-existent correction. They are off my trusted list for good. I will, however, use their statements with somebody who does trust them to show they are in conflict.

    My blog page has been on the American News has yours?

    Housewife, this conflicts with your statement that the American media is Zionist and exercises censorship. How did your blog get around the "censors"? Lecture me if you wish about using non-American news sources. I look at news sources from the US, UK, Germany, India, Canada, China, Russia and other places. I even look at Al Jazeera from time to time. From the US media and from all of these global news sources I see nothing in detail supporting the claims you are making.

    Generically I see a pro-Palestinian/anti-Israel trend, but no details of genocide and murder that do not fall under the category of Israel defending itself against terrorist bombers.

    But if you do not be idle and actually wake up I hope you would have enough sense to see who is the real enemy and I will assure you it never was anyone that is either Muslim or Middle Eastern

    Housewife, do not insult my intelligence:
    Munich 1972
    Marine Barracks, Beirut Lebanon 1983
    Pan Am Flight 103, Lockerbie Scotland
    World Trade Center 1994
    USS Cole 2000
    9-11 2001
    Bali Bombing 2002
    London Subway 2004

    Now that list is a wet fish in the eye. But you will probably claim it is a Zionist plot to frame peace loving Muslims.

  • At 5:01 PM, Blogger Housewife4Palestine 4 بيت فلسطين said…

    وَمِنَ النَّاسِ مَن يَتَّخِذُ مِن دُونِ اللّهِ أَندَاداً يُحِبُّونَهُمْ كَحُبِّ اللّهِ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ أَشَدُّ حُبّاً لِّلّهِ وَلَوْ يَرَى الَّذِينَ

    ظَلَمُواْ إِذْ يَرَوْنَ الْعَذَابَ أَنَّ الْقُوَّةَ لِلّهِ جَمِيعاً وَأَنَّ اللّهَ شَدِيدُ الْعَذَابِ

    سورة البقرة

  • At 6:08 PM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…

    very cute, hw. I know somebody who can translate. Maybe I will trouble him sometime if I get curious enough.

    By the way, I am immune to curses if that is one of them.

  • At 8:15 PM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…

    ἵνα ἐν τῷ ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ πᾶν γόνυ κάμψῃ ἐπουρανίων καὶ ἐπιγείων καὶ καταχθονίων, καὶ πᾶσα γλῶσσα ἐξομολογήσηται ὅτι κύριος Ἰησοῦς Χριστὸς εἰς δόξαν θεοῦ πατρός.


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