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Monday, June 19, 2006

Pelosi reveals Dems plan - spend more money and assault business

I have to hand it to AP. Once in awhile they actually report something as it is. I have linked to a report on the announcement by Democrats of their agenda to take back Congress. It basically is a hybrid between their usual extraction of money from the pockets of others in order to buy votes and John Kerry's campaign mantra "I have a plan..."

Here is the core of the plan in Pelosi's own words with some summarized by AP:

"A new direction means expanding access to affordable health care for Americans. We will begin by lowering the cost of prescription drugs by putting seniors ahead of pharmaceutical companies and HMOs," Pelosi said.

"A new direction means broadening opportunity by addressing the soaring costs of higher education. We will begin by making tuition tax-deductible and cutting the interest rates of student loans in half."

Pelosi also pledged to improve security, reduce dependence on foreign oil, maintain Social Security and oppose deficit spending. Under the plan the minimum wage would rise from $5.15 to $7.25 over two years, the interest rate on student loans would be cut to 3.4 percent and Democrats would approve a "pay as you go" budgeting rule.

So they are going to take money out of our pockets to grant others "more affordable health care" and more affodable education. I just instinctively made a protective grab for my wallet for all the good that will do. Then as if Bush did not stick it to us enough with the cost staggering prescription drug plan, the Dems are going to stick it to us more while leaving drug companies with less incentive to come out with the drugs society needs. Other businesses will be assaulted with a 40% increase in the minimum wage. Talk about a vote buying extravaganza.

Dems then have a plan to deal with security, Social Security and foreign oil. Not too many details here. They'll just deal with it. Even though they have rejected all solutions to these problems thus far. I thought they said Social Security was just fine? Of course that was a few years after they were screaming it was falling apart. Are they back to that, or does the word "maintain" show they are still in denial?

I wonder what this "pay as you go" rule refers to? I am sure it has something to do with us "paying" as they "go". The Dems also seem to be tip-toing past the graveyard when it comes to Iraq and the War on Terror. Here is where my previous reference to AP comes in. According to them:

She didn't mention that there's significant disagreement among Democrats on when to begin withdrawing troops.

Pelosi's position on the Iraq timetable -- "at the earliest practicable time, the United States must begin the responsible redeployment of its troops," she said -- is not shared by everyone in the Democratic caucus.

In other words, when it comes to our security and our committment to the Iraqi people, the Dems don't have a clue. They have no ideas here; only criticism. What outstanding leadership! We can trust 'em with our security...Not!

8 Comments:

  • At 1:02 PM, Blogger Joe Smoe: American Citizen said…

    In other words, when it comes to our security and our committment to the Iraqi people, the Dems don't have a clue. They have no ideas here; only criticism. What outstanding leadership! We can trust 'em with our security...Not!

    So I assume YOUR PAL BUsh has it right??? Let's look at the Record. Took us to Iraq and Blew it as it and Afghanistan are circling the drain and all we get is "stay the course of a FAILED PLAN, that is costing $6 Billion a month. He attempted to give away the ports to Dubai that has connections with terrorists and he ie Bush is in the process of selling of our Airlines to Foreigners. Also, he and the GOP have spent the country into the ground leaving the Debt for future generations to pay as Haliburton and the Oil Companies clean up.

    So if this weeks GOP line is stay the course, even if that course has led to nothing but failure and that course leads over a cliff for the country, suspend all Rational/ critical judgement and free thinking and Parrot the Rovian Talking piont of the week...RIGHT?

    WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!

     
  • At 3:20 PM, Blogger SkyePuppy said…

    Joe,

    It's time to put down the Kool-Aid. You've consumed enough hallucinogens already.

    Iraq is NOT circling the drain (I don't have enough information on conditions in Afghanistan to comment). They have a government now, their troops are taking the lead (though not standalone yet) in more and more anti-terrorist operations, and Zarqawi's documents reveal the dismal conditions of the "insurgency" even before we took him and so many of his goons out.

    As for the Debt you are so concerned about, how on earth do you expect the Democrats to reduce it with all the spending they're planning, coupled with their proposal to raise taxes again?

     
  • At 5:51 PM, Blogger Joe Smoe: American Citizen said…

    SkyePuppy said...
    Joe,

    It's time to put down the Kool-Aid. You've consumed enough hallucinogens already.

    Iraq is NOT circling the drain (I don't have enough information on conditions in Afghanistan to comment). They have a government now, their troops are taking the lead (though not standalone yet) in more and more anti-terrorist operations, and Zarqawi's documents reveal the dismal conditions of the "insurgency" even before we took him and so many of his goons out.

    As for the Debt you are so concerned about, how on earth do you expect the Democrats to reduce it with all the spending they're planning, coupled with their proposal to raise taxes again?

    3:20 PM

    It's time for you to get with Reality and Tunoff FAUX NEWs.

    This is from Intel from the same BOZOS/ LIARS that said they knew where those WMDs were...RIGHT??? If Iraq is not locked down in the next 6 months it's DONE!! You can believe all that feel good crap you here on Fox,but the proof to just how bad Iraq is evident that Neither Bush or any other High ranking members of this Admin will leave the Green ZOne when they go over for another BS Photo Op that this Yahoo is famous for.

    AS far as Afghan. it is a Narco republic that has very little semblence of a organized state outside of Kabul, yeah, you won't here that on the morning Flush Limlard show.

    As far as the debt, as the country is given away to the corporations, The education system is one of the worst internationally, the infrastructure is crumbling, the Nat. Debt is owed to china and Bush's BS war costs $6 Billion a month, Bushco continues to cut taxes . Bush will do to the Debt what he said he will do with Iraq ie leave it to future leaders to fix his mess. The same thing will happen like it did after Nixon's Gun's and Butter economics during the Vietnam war..taxes will be raised.Everything has a price tag and the bill does come due out here in the real world, but never in Washington and the land of Bush.


    Face it your CEO pres. has done to the country what he did to every business that he ever touched out in the REAL WORLD ie RAN IT INTO THE GROUND!!

    Come bAck when you have some facts to back up you Fox News swill you spout.

     
  • At 6:54 AM, Blogger FKAB said…

    It's time to put down the Kool-Aid. You've consumed enough hallucinogens already.

    I'm going to echo Joe's sentiments on this one, and tactfully advise you, skye, to unplug the wires that connect your brain to Fox News... or Faux News, whichever...;D

     
  • At 8:44 AM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…

    I think the left is starting to move from kool-aid to some heavier stuff. I'm not sure how much more good news they can cope with.

    As far as Iraq goes, people like Joe always mix what they say about Iraq with disagreement about going there.

    The news from any War is quite an easy thing to criticize as it never goes as plannned. There are always setbacks. Always casualties. However, critics of Iraq are not being intellectually honest about how Iraq is going. They compare Iraq to Vietnam. Why? Not because it is actually like Vietnam, but because they want to apply the stigma of Vietnam to Iraq. If anybody instead compares Iraq to WWII, the imagery coming from that comparison wouild be quite different. Compare casualties, cost vs. GDP, post war reconstruction to WWII and you see that overall Iraq is doing well.

    The problem is critics don't want to compare to WWII. With few exceptions almost all consider WWII a just war. For the sake of argument if we set aside the reasons for going into Iraq and previous execution of the war; one's evaluation of how Iraq is going NOW will tell if they are being intellectually honest or not. In terms of a war it is going quite well the Iraqi government formed and taking many leadership roles in stabilizing their country.

    To be fair, those on the right also want to argue how Iraq is going and mix it with the justification of the war. I probably have swerved into that one myself. However, the following must be acknowledged to be honest:

    - Going into Iraq could be right but the war go badly
    - Going into Iraq could be right and the war go well
    - Going into Irq could be wrong and the war go badly
    - Going into Iraq could be wrong but the war goes well

    So justification of the war and how the war goes are two different things. The result can go badly, but that does not mean it was the wrong thing to do. The result can go well, but that does not mean it was the right thing to do.

    Here I have argued that it was just and the right thing to go into Iraq. I also argue that both overall and today (compared with other wars) that the war went well and continues to improve.

     
  • At 3:08 PM, Blogger SkyePuppy said…

    Joe and the Former Blasphemer,

    You mistake me! Fox News is not my major news source (though I admit I enjoy watching Brit Hume's show when the "Fox News All-Stars" are on).

    Do you ever read Iraq The Model's blog? They'll give you a good impression of what's going on in Iraq from regular Iraqis' perspective (I think at least one of them is a dentist, but I could be wrong). And what they say isn't always positive, from my perspective.

    Joe, your diatribe about Bozos / Liars / WMDs / Corporations is just more proof that you need to cut back on the meds (or take the right ones).

    It doesn't matter why we went to Iraq. We're there now, and we must win. The extremist jihadis don't care if you hate Bush. They'll kill you in a heartbeat if they get the chance. And they would get the chance if we pull out of Iraq without finishing the job.

     
  • At 2:39 AM, Blogger FKAB said…

    As far as Iraq goes, people like Joe always mix what they say about Iraq with disagreement about going there.

    And these things are unrelated because...

     
  • At 9:14 AM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…

    FKAB,

    I must have written that sentence too quickly. I see where the confusion might come, though the context of it should be enough. Anyway it should have been written like this:

    ...always mix what they say about negative events occuring in Iraq with the disagreement about going there.

    The 4 element "table" I gave that starts with "Going into Iraq..." spells it out in slow motion that the decision to go to Iraq needs to be kept separate from how things went after the decision.

    In any war there are planning errors that cause tragic results. It is easy to snipe when this happens and say we should not have gone. I think these two should be kept separately.

    One could argue that the decision to go was right, but I am dissatisfied with the events after we went. Even if I were to concede that mixing the two is acceptable (which I don't) critics only look at the negative in Iraq. They are also completely ignoring the positive trend in Iraq.

    As for opportunists like Kerry and Feingold, I don't think they are ignoring the positive trend. I think they see it and want us out prematurely before too good of a picture in Iraq is formed.

     

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