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Tuesday, October 09, 2007

Are You Seriously Considering Pulling the Lever for Hillary?

Has the joke gone far enough yet? I continue to be amazed that Hillary Clinton is the Democrat front runner in the Presidential race. We have heard a lot on the GOP side about people feeling like they don't have much of a choice. I keep wondering why we are not hearing some Dems saying "You think you have it bad, look at our slate". Yet, where there should be disgust and hand-wringing over the lack of a decent choice; there is an actual front-runner and it is Hillary. I can only come to the conclusion that the other candidates are so bad that Hillary looks good to them. I can only imagine that they collectively think they have to fake it until they make it to avoid another GOP president.

I think some are looking into the wrong end of the telescope here. Instead of thinking that the other Dem candidates are so bad that Hillary looks good, they should be looking at Hillary and shuddering at how bad the rest are if she the "best" of the lot.

Why do I fear for the country if Hillary becomes President? The words and actions of Hillary Clinton should be enough to make every potential voter run for the hills.

Her words

Neal Boortz had an eyeopening quiz on his website yesterday. It was a list of quotes with multiple choice answers of who said them. The list contained dubious characters like Karl Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mussolini, Idi Amin, Mao Zse Dung, Hugo Chavez, Castro, Kim Jong Il and others. Each question had a "none of the above" option. The quotes did not at all tip his hand to where he was leading this and I dutifully made my guesses as I moved down the list. Here are the quotes:
1) "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
2) "It's time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few, and for the few...and to replace it with shared responsibility for shared prosperity."
3) "(We)...can't just let business as usual go on, and that means something has to be taken away from some people."
4) "We have to build a political consensus and that requires people to give up a little bit of their order to create this common ground."
5) "I certainly think the free-market has failed."
6) "I think it's time to send a clear message to what has become the most profitable sector in (the) entire economy that they are being watched."

As politically jaded as I am, I was blown away when I saw at the end that these were all quotes by Hillary Clinton. We have seen the failure of Communism and Socialism around the world. We have seen the rise of the United States to become the greatest economic power on the earth under capitalism. Yet Hillary wants take a success story and tear it down to failure. Why? Because of the sin that some are rich and others are poor.

A list of quotes would not be complete without her thoughts on privatization:

"When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything."

Can there be any other interpretation to these words than that Hillary thinks Government is the answer to everything?

Her actions:

Every action by Hillary Clinton is completely choreographed from exposing some cleavage to 'I'm your girl', to phony laughing. This is but an extension of the phony baloney we saw under Bill: dancing without music for the cameras, importing rocks to the beach at Normandy so he could form a cross, going from laughter to somber in a nanosecond at a funeral when he saw the cameras on him. When the choreography is somehow lacking and Hillary departs from the script we get some very interesting results like accusing an audience member of being planted by a conservative group.

Her actions back her words on government expansion and control. She moves from one hair-brain government program to the next, be it government run health care , or paying people to have babies, or giving out 401Ks.

Hillary was willing to sign her name to a letter condemning Rush Limbaugh for something he did not say and she had to know he did not say. It is not so much that Limbaugh needs defending, but it shows a willingness to cheapen her Senate seat to score a few cheap political points by using dishonesty.

Hillary seems to surround herself with criminals as best evidenced by the Norman Hsu episode. Now we hear about her complete breakdown in judgment by bringing on Sandy Berger, the former National Security Adviser that stole classified papers during the 9/11 commission.

We cannot forget her many scandals of the past with Travelgate, the FBI files, the futures trading and the fundraising scandal of her senate campaign.

I would like to hear somebody name one reason why Hillary would be good for the country. I think anyone seriously considering voting for her has some serious judgment problems.


  • At 11:44 PM, Blogger Jacob said…

    I think that Hillary is the front runner for the Democratic nomination just because she's been around the longest and has been the obvious choice for much longer than Bush. I can't really say much about the woman herself as President, but I certainly don't think she can do worse than Bush (heck, a blind helper monkey with anal warts would do a better job than Bush).

    I wish that the emphasis is placed on the actual policies and the people working behind the scenes, rather than the inidividual who would be President. Sometimes I wish that people would vote with a potential government in mind, rather than the person who has enough money to actually launch a Presidential bid.

    Even worse is when people talk about voting for a candidate based on their gender or race. I get that it would be pretty cool if a woman or a black person were to be President, but when that dominates the public debate you can pretty much be guaranteed of a disappointing leader.

    I'm not terribly bothered by who becomes the next President (they all end up doing the same shit in the end anyway) but I would LOVE if you actually voted in someone who was well spoken. Perhaps it's a cultural thing, but how in hell Bush can actually be understood is beyond me.

  • At 7:30 AM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…

    I would LOVE if you actually voted in someone who was well spoken.

    Whole hearted agreement. However, I would love to have a communicator that has a good strong conservative message to communicate. Bush is neither a communicator nor a conservative. He is also satisfied to win a skirmish without winning the war of ideas. He is very good at the former, but because he can't speak is terrible at the latter.

    Jacob, if Hillary gets in you will find how much worse somebody can do than Bush. I said that about Bill, but he was saved by a stroke of timing luck when the revolution came along. If it had not, he would not have made a second term.

  • At 8:51 AM, Blogger Jacob said…

    I would love to have a communicator that has a good strong conservative message to communicate.

    I wouldn't really mind whether the candidate was conservative or liberal -- I generally find that most people who think enough of themselves to waste money on a Presidential campaign are douches anyway.

    Just well spoken. So I don't have to put my head between my legs and hyperventilate whenever I watch the news.

  • At 5:18 PM, Blogger Ed Darrell said…

    You've been suckered. Those quotes are doctored to make it appear she's saying things she doesn't say. One quote, for example, she's saying that the "free market of information" hasn't reduced abortion to the low levels anyone had hoped. I suppose you think that abortion rates should be higher?

    C'mon over to Millard Fillmore's Bathtub and get the facts.

  • At 11:46 PM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…


    I have not been suckered about Hillary. I read a few of your quotes in their context and they had the same Marxist flavor as when they are isolated.

    Hillary oozes Karl Marx through her very pores. It is not coincidence that her statements continue to swerve into Marxist verbiage.

  • At 5:42 PM, Blogger Ed Darrell said…

    "Marxist flavor?"

    Since when does a quote against abortion qualify as "Marxist flavor?"

    You've been hoaxed, plus you're in deep denial.

  • At 7:45 PM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…


    You have no point here and actually swerve into making mine. Why under God's green earth would anybody use the term free market when speaking of abortion. Basically, somebody so immersed in Marxism that they look under every rock and tree to take a shot at the free market.

    The free market does not look to solve society's problems. It is a vehicle to make money and pursue happiness and acquire personal property. If there is a marketable solution to any of society's ills, the Free Market may find it.

    The Free Market is the best way to keep a healthy and vibrant economy. Such an economy is the best environment for society to be in to then address its ills.

    It is like products that promote a healthy immune system in the body. A healthy immune system is the best environment to fight any cancer that develops in the body. However, the product cannot be sold as a cure for cancer.

    Finally, you are doing just what I keep claiming when it comes to Hillary. All people seem able to do is try to defend her against any accusations. Nobody ever comes up with clear and concise reasons to vote for her. You got any? Giver it a whirl.

  • At 10:24 PM, Blogger Ed Darrell said…

    When the Bush administration's policy is to use "the free market of ideas" to persuade kids to "just say 'no'" by teaching abstinence, talking about how that free market failed demonstrates knowledge of the topic.

    Why on God's green Earth would you think that line in an answer about abortion policy has something to do with economics?

  • At 10:33 PM, Blogger Ed Darrell said…

    You want reasons to vote for Hillary?

    1. Good policies all around.
    2. Proven politician, able to legislate and compromise to get good policies -- the ability to function in the Senate is a key indicator of ability to work with diverse groups, hold to principle, but get things done.
    3. 40 years advocacy for children.
    4. Proven ability to move business interests to rally to her side.
    5. Proven ability to rally labor interests to her side.
    6. Pragmatic experience in foreign policy - not prone to go off on a wild hair to invade nations we have no business invading.
    7. Very nice lady. Great conversationalist. Real mensch, but a mensch with a super intellect.

    As if there were any reason to tell lies about her positions even were there no reasons to vote for her.

    That quiz is just inexcusable. It's morally bankrupt. It shows even those of us who don't support Clinton that the right-wing, anti-Clinton people are really crazy, as well as dishonest.

  • At 11:12 PM, Blogger All_I_Can_Stands said…


    Thanks for your responses. I will give your post on the quotes another read. Can't do it now 'cause I am heading to bed.

    As for your Hillary list, I appreciate you responding. I just have a hard time converting it into any specific policies we can expect under Hillary. It is a bit general.

    When voting one either thinks the candidate will:

    1 - Keep certain things the way they are because they are good (such as don't raise taxes)

    2 - Change certain things because they need to be changed to make things better (such as cutting spending in specific areas of the budget)


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